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Mike Lim
Mike Lim Hace 2 meses
The fact that Bob Cousy still has a sharp mind at 93 shows that he is a great man. I would be fortunate enough if I can speak in complete sentences when I’m 93, let alone if I even make it to that age.
Andy
Andy Hace 22 días
@Milky Way today’s nba players are playing with tv show hosts and analysts and they are also insanely good at flopping if thats a skill to you. I mean there wasnt even three point line back then if you average 20 ppg its equivalent to 30 ppg today lol
Noice mate
Noice mate Hace un mes
@Jonn Stewart lmfao it’s not just athleticism my friend it’s general movement and skill
Robmck Robmck
Robmck Robmck Hace 2 meses
@don't want this Don't listen to Money Mayweather. Sadly, he couldn't help himself
DavidDoggie
DavidDoggie Hace 2 meses
@don't want this The truth hurts, but when you are older it hurts more to know your skill level does not even compare to todays game
KB
KB Hace 2 meses
"I do think Beethoven could make a drill beat" -Wildes 😭😭😭😭😭
Kizon '93
Kizon '93 Hace 18 días
💀💀💀
Eddy
Eddy Hace 23 días
Beethoven with an mpc would be bananas
Mathew Spieker
Mathew Spieker Hace un mes
Amadeus on tha beat *gunshot* *gunshot* *gunshot*
ElRifle24 24
ElRifle24 24 Hace 2 meses
Beethoven wrote his 9th symphony when he was deaf. To be deaf and compose an entire symphony involving hundreds of instruments takes way more talent than anything any musician today can do
Chosen Child
Chosen Child Hace 2 meses
That would be the greatest beat of all time.
D J
D J Hace 2 meses
I gotta agree with Chris on this one. This is also something I’ve always said and btw it works in reverse too. These great players, if given the time to grow up under a certain set of rules or meta, would adapt. Lebron would adapt to the physicality very easily, Jordan would adapt to the 3pt shot very easily, Kareem would adapt to the spacing, Bill Russel would adapt to the pace etc. List goes on and on. As long as they have the will to work on their game, they would adapt. It’s so disrespectful to the game and to all of the players that have played to say one era trumps the other era or that greats from one era could not play in another era.
Tesla Edison
Tesla Edison Hace 12 días
Well said
Arthur Blakey Jr.
Arthur Blakey Jr. Hace 16 días
@MovieGuy666 Are you seriously using one guy to back your argument. As a majority and not even close. Todays players are more athletic and skilled. The comment was disrespectful because many pro athletes worked a another job in the off season. Otherwise it was a, factual statement. More player in the NBA now could play back then as well. You cannot say that is reverse.
MovieGuy666
MovieGuy666 Hace 17 días
@Arthur Blakey Jr. Wilt proves that bullshit is false, Wilt was bigger stronger and just as fast as anyone playing today. Not to mention he had more stamina than anyone in today's NBA,
Claudius Albury
Claudius Albury Hace 2 meses
Did I just see a highlight of Bob Cousy, facing away from the basket, then throwing the ball over his head and banking it in! 😮 Im to young to have seen dude play, but that shot was Cocky and Gangsta AF! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Redeemed
Redeemed Hace 2 días
Look up "houdini of the hardwood"
Born Star
Born Star Hace 2 meses
True that
John3731
John3731 Hace 2 meses
@Michael Fong Awesome story! Thanks for sharing.
Darren Gordon-Hill
Darren Gordon-Hill Hace 2 meses
*FOR FUN!!*
Michael Fong
Michael Fong Hace 2 meses
@Zzz Vain My roommate and I used to argue about a couple of players. I would tell him that my high school star( Charlie Criss) would have been in the NBA if he was bigger. He eventually made it with the Hawks. He used to tell me that Julius( his name then) would have made it of he had gone to a bigger school. We were freshman in 1969 and this was our continual argument. I have always wanted to tell this story to Dr. J which is not impossible since we both live in Atlanta and the golf course I used to go to ( the superintendent) was good friends with Julius. I am well aware of Julius and he is the first small forward to really dribble. Before him ( Hondo, Bradley, McMillan, Jack Marin etc. credo was moving without the ball. Julius moved with the ball.
Daniel Ruiz
Daniel Ruiz Hace 2 meses
Bob Cousy’s generation was making it up as they were going. Give them 50 years of knowledge at 13 years old and see what kind of innovations they could come up with. Talent transcends time
Sir Trash
Sir Trash Hace 20 días
Talent? They throw balls into hoops
Roy Johnson
Roy Johnson Hace un mes
@Supremacist Don't let the plumbers talk or the league haven less teams fool u.
Supremacist
Supremacist Hace un mes
@Roy Johnson the outliers dont reflect the average. Dont let that go over ur head
Roy Johnson
Roy Johnson Hace un mes
@Supremacist 60s era had competition just becaus they don't have all the great players around the globe and 32 teams. That doesn't mean the competition suck. If thats the case the competition in 2000 sucked because kobe dropped 81 points
Roy Johnson
Roy Johnson Hace un mes
@Supremacist Larry can play in todays era
ABBV.TV (A BIG BLUE VISUAL)
I did not know they were hooping like that back then those highlights were nasty af 😂
Tyler Gathers
Tyler Gathers Hace 2 meses
@John HanCock Nah I’m not saying he was a great player, but he was pretty good. Especially when you look at his play style for the time he played was basically the way pgs play today. He wasn’t a great shooter but could get his own shot and make easy passes to open teammates.
Lion T
Lion T Hace 2 meses
Nigga what😂😂😂, nah some of their was tough like the layup backwards over 3 guys, but you reaching m
Vince Bliddack203
Vince Bliddack203 Hace 2 meses
That’s shit was hard to watch more basic than Duncan. I’m sorry much lesser Gaurd’s could of survived n breasted. Not to mention it was like 12 teams
John HanCock
John HanCock Hace 2 meses
@Tyler Gathers solid role player who went hot under Mike’s inflated PG system. Not comparable to other greats, no matter the era.
Tyler Gathers
Tyler Gathers Hace 2 meses
@John HanCock You could. Jeremy Lin was nice asf. Just didn’t keep it going.
Kisembe Namusyule
Kisembe Namusyule Hace 2 meses
That spinning over the shoulder pass is elite in any era
john smith
john smith Hace 2 meses
Are the left handed hookshot off the glass
Darren Gordon-Hill
Darren Gordon-Hill Hace 2 meses
@Jack Astor "Cross court passes for wing jumpers" Like early Lebron, only difference now is the range (Eric Snow used to "spot up" inside the 3pt line)
Jack Astor
Jack Astor Hace 2 meses
Those dimes Cousy was throwing were as sick as anything I've seen in the current era.
Bradley Parks
Bradley Parks Hace 2 meses
Without those dudes we would not have an NBA today people really do not respect the game
Milky Way
Milky Way Hace un mes
@Roy Johnson I meant 99.9999%!!!!!!
Roy Johnson
Roy Johnson Hace un mes
@Nick Stanley But your right stanley on the field goal by bob cousy
Roy Johnson
Roy Johnson Hace un mes
@Milky Way 99 percent thats a over exaggeration.
Roy Johnson
Roy Johnson Hace un mes
@Stephen A Snake People forget that cousy was out of his prime when big o and wilt started to dominate
Roy Johnson
Roy Johnson Hace un mes
@Ved Patel Bill played and dominated in both the 50s and 60s Had deandre jordan able to become a all star in the 2010s and 2020s no Can u say the same for roy hibbert no Can u say the same for drummond no u can't
Truth:113
Truth:113 Hace 2 meses
Jim Brown played in the NFL from 1957-1965 and no one questions his greatness.
PesoIsMagic
PesoIsMagic Hace un mes
Beachside that’s football, football has gotten much softer over the years as well
Truth:113
Truth:113 Hace 2 meses
@Söze Lol
Söze
Söze Hace 2 meses
Football hasn’t evolved much outside of safety
Mexican Zeppelin
Mexican Zeppelin Hace 2 meses
Few people realize that Jesse Owens had lousy footgear and ran on a cinder track. Twelve year old kids can pole vault higher than world class guys from the 1960s because of the equipment. High jumpers today have a completely different technique. Everything would have to be adjusted for a fair comparison.
Sur
Sur Hace 14 días
Yes, there was a study done on Jesse Owens' biomechanics so that his best sprint could be adjusted for shoes and track changes. The only sprinter to beat Owens was Bolt at his best, and Owens was much closer to Bolt than to the rest of the field. Basketball players of Cousy's era also had to deal with different equipment as well as different rules. Breakaway rims certainly help you get a better bounce. Three point line definitely opens up the floor for guards. Imagine being Bob Cousy practically inventing the PG position and then being disrespected by JJ Reddick.
J. Edward Baker
J. Edward Baker Hace 21 un día
@N.W.O Whoknowstheshadowknows absolute facts man 👏👏👏
HeartlessXiao
HeartlessXiao Hace 2 meses
Same with basketball. Platform shoes, worse balls, dead spots on the floor. Broussard had the best take.
N.W.O Whoknowstheshadowknows
@william poinsett yes because they had a tougher mind set from a better society to begin with so it would be easy work against today's generations for the old timers just through mental strength and sheer will I think. Imagine LeBron James against someone with the toughness of Rodman or mental strength of Bird:) he would be food for them
alex b
alex b Hace 2 meses
Exactly my thoughts. Different equipment, different nutrition and "supplements". Just look at the shoes that helped Eliud Kipchoge run the sub 2 hour marathon.
Joshua Davidson
Joshua Davidson Hace 2 meses
Every sport evolves and changes over time, not to mention things like conditioning, injury rehab, nutrition, ease of travel, and equipment are exponentially better than they were even 20-30 years ago, let alone when Bob Cousy was playing. This makes it impossible to judge how a player would perform in different eras. Just respect the players who came before, having to constantly rank and compare players in different eras is just silly and pointless.
Griz Bear
Griz Bear Hace 2 meses
And if Reddick played back then those same firemen and plumbers could score him like everybody else ever did! Career defensive liability
Agent WK
Agent WK Hace 19 días
Y'all are high. If you throw prime JJ Redick growing up in the modern era that he did back in the 50's or 60's, he'd probably be the best shooter in the league. Now if Redick grew up back in those times with the lack of incentives and benefits, he probably be an average player like he was in the NBA
Robert Weekes
Robert Weekes Hace 22 días
If you look at JJ’s advanced defensive stats (other team’s shooting guard PPG / %) JJ’s defense was underrated. He wasn’t a lock down defender, but he would often tire out his opponent from chasing JJ around screens and curls Steph Curry style
Farhanking7864
Farhanking7864 Hace 2 meses
@jack thamac 🤣
Slïm3 Wöck
Slïm3 Wöck Hace 2 meses
@jack thamac LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO HILARIOUS JOKE
Michael
Michael Hace 2 meses
You judge players on how good they were amongst their peers of their era.
Picasso Julien
Picasso Julien Hace 2 meses
Thank you.
jack thamac
jack thamac Hace 2 meses
🎯
Tee D.
Tee D. Hace 2 meses
At the end of the day just respect those that came before you. A lot of those guys simultaneously served in the army while playing professionally. I don’t see any modern player being able to balance out something like that.
johnny the kid
johnny the kid Hace 16 días
And the bronsexuals that say the players in the late 40's and 50's were un athletic you all do realize that many of those players served on the frontlines in combat during WWII running away from gunfire and etc..
no name
no name Hace 2 meses
the old guard should also respect the players of today instead of always saying that the game isn't as good. Old guard gets to shite on the game of today and players today just have to take it without responding? Respect goes both ways.
KingOfNewYork
KingOfNewYork Hace 2 meses
@Robert Green it was 80 games and they played 6 games in 7 nights dummy
Stage 4
Stage 4 Hace 2 meses
It's a known fact that players back then had to take second jobs (some as plumbers) because the league didn't pay them a lot.
Mindful Attraction 2.0
@Dats a paddlin and they even had triple headers where they played three days in a row and three different cities. Wow riding buses and normal seats considering their tall as hell
Gamingdoc
Gamingdoc Hace 2 meses
Broussard was 100% right.
999 wood
999 wood Hace 2 meses
It was absolutely disrespectful and I understand the underlying point that the game is evolved 10000x but jj wouldn’t know the word basketball if that generation didn’t do it when it wasn’t cool. Jj gets PAID to talk about basketball now 🤯 horrible look for him
Jason Yellen
Jason Yellen Hace 2 meses
I mean, JJ Reddick basically said the exact same thing as Chris. He wasn't questioning Cousy's greatness, he was pointing out how different the NBA was when he played, and that most of the people he was playing against were not full time basketball players. He didn't say that to attack Cousy, he pointed it out in defense of modern basketball players, like Chris Paul. He was arguing that their résumé's are not always as impressive as Cousy's because the NBA is just far more stacked with talent then it used to be, making the road to prosperity significantly more difficult.
Kenrick Eason
Kenrick Eason Hace 8 días
Yeah they do have a point.. Bob Cosey is a NBA Hall of Famer but he did play against people that wasn't nowhere close to his level of play..
Tesla Edison
Tesla Edison Hace 12 días
@VEN Yeah playing a full game in Converse All Stars today would make these kids cry seriously
coldskin1
coldskin1 Hace 14 días
@Elhanan Hardaway arent as impressive? nba players today a literally living a luxurious lifestyle and don't even to worry about traveling
Elhanan Hardaway
Elhanan Hardaway Hace 15 días
That's not the point. It's the way he said it with his eyes rolling, and the "fireman and plumbers" comment. It's a total disrespect.
VEN
VEN Hace 22 días
I think we under appreciate just how good the players back in the day were. If you just look into how strong Wilt was and see that fireman and plumbers balled against him and won, it shows they weren't hacks at all. The game was faster paced back then, they could still shoot, there was just no 3 point line to justify shooting deep often. The game was more physical as well, the league is very soft right now. Also the shoes they played in back in the day were nothing compared to what players have now.
Rob D
Rob D Hace 2 meses
chris had the best take on this for sure.
Danny Tran
Danny Tran Hace 2 meses
@Dennis Smith 😂😂
Dennis Smith
Dennis Smith Hace 2 meses
Nick was the most accurate of the bunch for anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together! 😳🤷🏽‍♂️
Danny Tran
Danny Tran Hace 2 meses
I thought Nick did.
anddanny
anddanny Hace 2 meses
yea i disagree, cousy shot 39% for his career against guys who were his equal in competition, why would he magically be better then that?
Sadiq
Sadiq Hace 2 meses
@Rob D But that’s what Nicks point was. You can’t just give people the benefits and assume they’ll be superstars. All you can do is watch what they did and as yourself, as he was, could he play in today’s NBA? The answer is no and that’s not a shot nor is it disrespectful, it’s just facts.
kevis walker
kevis walker Hace 2 meses
Looking at the highlights, dude was balling!
Sir Trash
Sir Trash Hace 20 días
@Raliek watson which makes it less impressive
Milky Way
Milky Way Hace 2 meses
No
Inktownzeek313
Inktownzeek313 Hace 2 meses
That was all of em😂
young city
young city Hace 2 meses
Nick Stanley are you blind ?
Raliek watson
Raliek watson Hace 2 meses
Dude was balling
WJ L
WJ L Hace 2 meses
We'll said brew!! Thank you for that. Nick had nothing to say after Chris closing argument lol
John Monster
John Monster Hace 2 meses
@WJ L the question is taking these guys in a time machine, matching game for game not creating new players, but Chris puts all these additives like that’s not a entirely different conversation, the competition back then would be comparable to letting a nba player play against high school talent and then counting his stats against everybody else’s, they didn’t have all the technology we have today didn’t get the chance to watch the evolution of the game that’s why today’s players are better that’s the point but he’s changing the point to make an argument
WJ L
WJ L Hace 2 meses
@Dennis Smith which part?
WJ L
WJ L Hace 2 meses
@John Monster what does that even mean lol
Dennis Smith
Dennis Smith Hace 2 meses
Nick was the most accurate of the bunch for anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together! 😳🤷🏽‍♂️
John Monster
John Monster Hace 2 meses
Chris sounds stupid moving the goalposts,if that’s the case, let the modern guys play against high schoolers to even playing fields
Kareem Enya
Kareem Enya Hace 2 meses
3:34 who saw Bob Cousy travel? 😂 took 4 steps.
Kareem Enya
Kareem Enya Hace 18 días
@Box Car Children T.V. lies. It was probably 2,000 haha.
Box Car Children T.V.
Box Car Children T.V. Hace 19 días
I seen 100 travels just last season 🤣 🤡
OrangeSativa315
OrangeSativa315 Hace 22 días
There is no traveling in the NBA
random 4815
random 4815 Hace 2 meses
THANK YOU Chris. Have always said this. It's a completely unfair comparison. Besides all the grossly unfair comps with gear, training, body science knowledge etc. Also, in today's NBA you can travel constantly, flop, palm the ball to a ridiculous level, stop and start in the middle of dribbling with no carrying call, etc. You put any NBA player today on a 50 years ago roster, they're getting called for travel every time. I hate when people make these comps and diss old players like that. It's so unfair and insanely stupid
Roy Johnson
Roy Johnson Hace un mes
All time great players are able to play any era that means jordan, kobe, lenron, iverson, shaq, tim duncan I can go on and on
HeartlessXiao
HeartlessXiao Hace 2 meses
Charges are another huge one. They used to be called any time you lowered your shoulder into a defender. Shaq would foul out every game in the 60s
KaRu
KaRu Hace 2 meses
@Mr. Bacon No, because Nick is using his current displayed skills vs Chris arguing what players skills "could" have been instead of the skills they actually displayed. An "if" would be saying Lebron could've been a 90% freethrow shooter "if" blah blah blah
Ryan Logan
Ryan Logan Hace 2 meses
But that’s not the case , we talking about if you took him from then and dropped him to now lol not making him better then dropping him in
Diestro Terrero
Diestro Terrero Hace 2 meses
To me those highlights are very impressive bro🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
TJ3much Winninn
TJ3much Winninn Hace 2 meses
39 % every single season
Real One
Real One Hace 2 meses
"If you put king Tut in a time machine, he would have trouble getting on the zoom"🤣💀
Karlo Brown Comedy
Karlo Brown Comedy Hace 2 meses
They turned his camera off lol.. Producers ain’t like where the convo was going
Real One
Real One Hace 2 meses
@Ashley Paul I never made a point of king tut understanding the pyramids but rather the ppl of now. If anything, you're furthering my point which is if anyone could go back to a past time, they wouldn't understand the pyramids just as they wouldn't understand our technology and the fact that their methods were so brilliant, we still do not fully understand them today
Ashley Paul
Ashley Paul Hace 2 meses
@Real One Tut was like 1200 years after the pyramids. King Tut himself didn't fully understand the pyramids.
Real One
Real One Hace 2 meses
@Retrokidbk83 True. Even now we don't fully understand the pyramids
Retrokidbk83
Retrokidbk83 Hace 2 meses
The same goes if you put us in a time machine and send us to King Tut's time.
TJ Silverlake
TJ Silverlake Hace 2 meses
"It feels like that was a different game" Yes, because the plumbers and firemen changed it for you, JJ. Mikan, Chamberlain literally changed the game. Shotclock, restricted areas. So, would you rather go back and play in a steel cage? And no I'm not talking about WWE.
Drawkcab
Drawkcab Hace 2 meses
To be fair. All those guys were just barely entering the league by the time he won his last championship
prot3g31
prot3g31 Hace 2 meses
Some of these passes they’re showing kinda crazy tho
KingOfNewYork
KingOfNewYork Hace 2 meses
@TJ3much Winninn what about Jason Kidd? And u forgot 8 titles and 6 chips and a MVP
TJ3much Winninn
TJ3much Winninn Hace 2 meses
39% or under every single season
Dats a paddlin
Dats a paddlin Hace 2 meses
@Kaloop Spring Lol if he had the same training the modem players had he could have cooked JJ.
Kaloop Spring
Kaloop Spring Hace 2 meses
@Dats a paddlin stop it
John Hamilton's Urban Legends and Trivia
Fun Fact: In 1948, those Plumbers and Firemen defeated the Harlem Globetrotters in 6 out of 8 games.
Robert Weekes
Robert Weekes Hace 22 días
Nick and Chris answered this question well. Good job guys 👍🏼 🏀
Sakuragi 10
Sakuragi 10 Hace 2 meses
100% with Broussard
Dimonite314
Dimonite314 Hace 2 meses
Nick: "Cousy, as he was, couldn't play today, but we can't hold that against him." The footage behind him: * Cousy, as he was, making passes and shots that would still be incredible in today's league *
G
G Hace 2 meses
If you’re comparing greats amongst one another you can only measure how dominant they were with their contemporaries. So if you’re great individually or within a team system you would have the accolades to back that up.
Hari Randhawa
Hari Randhawa Hace 2 meses
When Nick was talking I was thinking, 'are you really not going to mention the 'growing up in that era' argument'. Luckily Chris points it out right after. As nebulous as these comparisons can be, you cannot make the comparison in a vacuum i.e. take the exact version of that player and stick them in a different era. You have to consider how they would fare if they grew up in a different era and were exposed to the same environment, conditions, rules, and metagame. Also, players always learn from the games of previous greats and build on the knowledge of their predecessors. Bob Cousy would be amazing in today's league.
Bong Lee
Bong Lee Hace 2 meses
Steph Curry, Dirk, Dwayne Wade, Durant, Klay Thompson could not play in that era, because the medical technology wasn't developed enough, they wouldn't be able to walk after 2yrs. So these knuckleheads should start qualifying things equally
Jean Payano
Jean Payano Hace 2 meses
for some reason Nick is ignoring evolution and circumstances Bob Cousy was literally the staple for guys like Pistol Pete, Stockton, Nash, Thomas etc
Justin Graham
Justin Graham Hace 2 meses
@musky Joe exactly
musky Joe
musky Joe Hace 2 meses
Nick is the definition of what are younger generation is right now. And that is the problem of why our world sucks right now. No cares given what comes out of his mouth. Even when he knows he's wrong. And no respect for the elders
N G
N G Hace 2 meses
He defended him
Eric Dupree
Eric Dupree Hace 2 meses
It’s about what you do in your era. That’s why comparing eras is disrespectful. That time machine BS is just speculation, but we’ll never truly know.
Earl The Pearl
Earl The Pearl Hace 2 meses
Agreed
Moustapha Moussa Bouh
Exactly. That shit can only be done in anime
B. Whisky
B. Whisky Hace 12 días
I’ve had somewhat the same arguments with baseball players… specifically Ty Cobb. People say Cobb would have struggled with current baseball of today. I said if Cobb was given all the great technology, statistics, equipments, nutrition and sports medicine advancements it would have made Ty Cobb a greater player. Bob Cousy had a super high basketball IQ. If he were given those advancements of today, he would have a first ballot hall of famer. Cousy would have dominated.
Dukjin Im
Dukjin Im Hace 2 meses
If he wanted to go after the big advances over eras, he should look at coaching. It feels like back in the 50s and 60s in college and pros, coaching SUCKED except for the top 1 or 2 guys. It would be like Red Auerbach was smarter than every other coach in the NBA combined. But they were all really good firemen in the off season.
I Know More Than You.
AYO THOSE PASSES AND JUMPERS WERE FIRE THOUGH
Shaun
Shaun Hace 2 meses
Wildes went in a time machine for real…on live television!!!
BobbyMarley
BobbyMarley Hace 2 meses
Agree with nick. Comparing eras’ is a waste of time. You can only compete against your era. If lebron only played against children his whole life he would not be good.
Mindful Attraction 2.0
Yo everyone is going ham this week!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Slim Hardaway
Slim Hardaway Hace 2 meses
What a time to be alive
Frank Stevenson
Frank Stevenson Hace 2 meses
swear!
Damari Moland
Damari Moland Hace 2 meses
factuals 😂
Ro
Ro Hace 2 meses
Broussard dominated this take.
Albert Gary
Albert Gary Hace 2 meses
Man if you switch some of these players today with players back then they would struggle because of the way the world was, because alot of these players are babies and could handle the criticism of fans now. How do you think it would be if they had to deal with it then on top of not getting paid alot money.
drichardbailey
drichardbailey Hace 2 meses
"I thought I saw him scaling walls about 18 months ago" - damn Nick lol
Scott Kingz
Scott Kingz Hace 2 meses
Greatness in the NBA is talent plus hardwork so if Bob or any other great player in the past will come to the NBA with their own talents (the crazy passes in Bob case) then put in the hard work it takes to elevate their games to superstarem then it will translate. What made these guys great was the hours put in and hard work is hard work if it's yesterday, today or tomorrow
thisiseliasm
thisiseliasm Hace 2 meses
The only flaw in Nick’s arguments is that he’s disregarding modern sports training and performance enhancing substances. Bob Cousy, will probably still have the potential to be great in todays nba if he trained like players today.
avataz
avataz Hace 2 meses
Yeah, give guys like Bob Causey training and nutrition plans like today and they would torch everyone
zregory
zregory Hace 2 meses
Bob started his NBA career almost 10 years before the people who would give him his greatest competition could even vote....
Ashanti Nyongo
Ashanti Nyongo Hace 2 meses
What about the talent pool though?
騎行竹北
騎行竹北 Hace 2 meses
was gonna say, if jesse owens had all those modern ncaa trainings and the fancy running shoes, he def would qualify the ncaa championship.
corey thomas
corey thomas Hace 2 meses
Training is nutrition is better of course he would be great.
Simon Bent
Simon Bent Hace 2 meses
Nick really said Bob was at January 6 😂😂😂
Anthony Lopez
Anthony Lopez Hace 2 meses
Never thought of the argument Chris made of past players having modern day benefits. Genius point!
John Monster
John Monster Hace 2 meses
@Suf1an65 that’s what I keep saying so why even compare them, stop disrespecting the modern players with the bs but I do think they should be more respectful to the pioneers, but in the spirit of competition how would you feel if someone compared a first grader to you as an adult, if everybody is shooting better than curry in 60 years then we should say curry was a sniper in his day he really paved the way not he’s better than those dudes
Suf1an65
Suf1an65 Hace 2 meses
@John Monster that's the point as to why it's unfair to compare them. KD grew up with a million advantages that players in the 60's never had and so wil the players we'll see 60 years from now. 3 point shooting was only stressed recently and there will come a better 3pt shooter than Steph, does that mean we disqualify his contribution to the game and how much better he was at it then everybody else?
John Monster
John Monster Hace 2 meses
@Suf1an65 but he shoots from deep, now we adding what if’s bunch of weirdos, take his game as is , with y’all logic what if every girl was 7’0 and had testosterones and less estrogen they would take over the nba, what if sharks had legs and laser beams are we serious
Suf1an65
Suf1an65 Hace 2 meses
@John Monster he wouldn't grow up learning to shoot from deep though would he?
John Monster
John Monster Hace 2 meses
@ronald castle he doesn’t guard them, bro stop you don’t watch basketball you don’t even understand there are different positions, you just being weird now
Payee Ang
Payee Ang Hace 2 meses
Put kyrie in that era. Every time he dribble will be a turnover. Double dribble, palming traveling
POO CRAYON
POO CRAYON Hace 2 meses
@Kaloop Spring His point was that the way Kyrie dribbles was against the rules back then. He wouldn't have his handle, he couldn't play remotely the same way because he would have to dribble palm down every possesion.
ronald castle
ronald castle Hace 2 meses
@Kaloop Spring dude since Kyrie is so good, one ring(sorry Cousy got 6), No mvp, no finals mvp, no scoring titles , no steal titles , no assists titles (sorry Cousy got 8)Kyrie is Not half as effective as Bob Cousy yet
Kaloop Spring
Kaloop Spring Hace 2 meses
You are actually a lunatic if you think this is true. Kyrie would bop everyone, did you not see how he would cross everyone up during his first two years in the league?
teresa
teresa Hace 2 meses
JA would be a killer because he palms the ball
zbynx
zbynx Hace 3 días
1:27 the best summary to all the GOAT debates I've ever heard. You can't have a serious discussion that starts with "if I put him in a time machine..."
renren225
renren225 Hace 2 meses
Broussard hit the nail on the head. Every player today benefits from improved training, training equipment, not having to work a side job while playing in the league, improved nutritional information and vastly improved medical science to keep them healthy
Lighting4Film
Lighting4Film Hace 3 días
Plus players back then weren’t allowed to palm the ball or even put their hand in the side of it. There was no 3 point line so the floor wasn’t as spread. The ball was heavier, etc.
You1uji
You1uji Hace 2 meses
The disrespect is unconscionable!! Legendary players must be respected and revered. Everybody playing today should send a portion of their salaries to those who laid the foundation!! J.J needs a good talking to….
no name
no name Hace 2 meses
@You1uji not talking specifically about Cousy, but older players by and large don't respect today's game, and I could point to countless comments from former NBA players that support my observation.
You1uji
You1uji Hace 2 meses
@no name Spoken with the laughably and naïveté of youth…Last I checked the 93year old gentleman, Mr. Robert Cousy, did NOT, as you so euphemistically put it “shite on the league.” Conversely, it is the recently retired JJ Redick who decided to compare a legendary man with garbage men. But you’re entitled to your opinion and I’ll “miss you with that…”
no name
no name Hace 2 meses
forget them. Old players get to shite on the league today about how they don't think it's good, but current players have to just "respect" them and take it? Miss me with that. Give respect to get respect.
You1uji
You1uji Hace 2 meses
@1Flyingfist I’m not offended. I’m just saying the argument is silly. Everybody can only play against who they had to compete against. “If-would-a-could-a” arguments are hypotheticals that can never be answered. From the little footage I saw, he was nice. Sure there may have been others who we never saw and stupid racist rules didn’t allow people to play. That said, Stockton, Bird, Nash etc are all white dudes that are legendary in the game and thus race alone doesn’t mean he couldn’t have been the Stockton of his day…or better. We can all have differing opinions but the “garbage men” line was a bridge too far…
Mr. Bacon
Mr. Bacon Hace 2 meses
@You1uji watch the actual segment and it's a lot more reasonable. the plumbers and firemen was more of a one liner joke in respone to the other guy than a serious point. His real argument made a lot of sense which was that there were only 8 teams in the NBA and you only needed to win 2 playoff series to win the title.
universe 86
universe 86 Hace 2 meses
The older players played against their contemporaries. Thats why we cant say one era is better than the other. An era can be more exciting and greater entertainment value, but sports changes so constantly, we cant look at basic stats the same. If anything we should have more respect and admiration for what those guys went thru in the 50s and 60s. No max contracts, having to work second jobs, commercial flights, living in the same neighborhood as their home arena, racism, war, etc.
KingOfNewYork
KingOfNewYork Hace 2 meses
@Mr. Bacon less teams means more concentrated talent
Mr. Bacon
Mr. Bacon Hace 2 meses
@KingOfNewYork I agree to an extent. The problem is there are also objective ways to say that they simply didn't have the same level of competition. For example, there were only 8 teams in the league when they played compared to 30 now, and they only had to win 2 playoff series for a title. That's why a lot of these great player's accolades aren't respected as much because it's mathematically much harder to get them now then it was back then.
KingOfNewYork
KingOfNewYork Hace 2 meses
@Mr. Bacon if the old timers had the same conditions they’d be just as good. Which is why they’re more enhanced
Mr. Bacon
Mr. Bacon Hace 2 meses
@KingOfNewYork what's the difference?
KingOfNewYork
KingOfNewYork Hace 2 meses
@I'm Probably Your Dad they are more enhanced, not better.
NoVisionGuy
NoVisionGuy Hace 2 meses
This argument feels weird most of the time, since time and meta changes so does the people. It's like saying we're better than the Romans cuz we are fighting more complex wars than they did cuz they fought tribesmen and nomads. Or saying scientists are far more superior today than those scientists in 1800s because they don't know what scientists know today.
Michael Fong
Michael Fong Hace 2 meses
think about the TV being invented in 1927 and the fax machine in the early 20th century. The imagination was incredible.
David Jones
David Jones Hace 2 meses
Wilt Chamberlain who was a world class athlete in 3 sports would have torched every center that is playing today.
David Jones
David Jones Hace 2 meses
@Chris Hernandez I completely agree. It should also be said that Russell and not Tom Brady is the greatest winner in American sports period.
Chris Hernandez
Chris Hernandez Hace 2 meses
@David Jones Bill Russell also was a guy who understood the value of team and that his role was a defensive anchor AND the coach on the floor. Wilt was too much of a me guy, and it hurt his championship aspirations
David Jones
David Jones Hace 2 meses
@Chris Hernandez The way that Bill Russell played defense against someone like Wilt who was 4” taller than he, I believe that Russell would had been a dominate defensive force in today’s game. When asked one time if he could have stopped Jabbar’s sky hook. Russell said no. but he went on to say that he would have made it more difficult for Jabbar to get his sky hook off. Russell was such cerebral player which is why he would have been so effective in today’s modern game from a defensive perspective.
Chris Hernandez
Chris Hernandez Hace 2 meses
Wilt is one of those guys who transcends eras. You can plus him in any eta and he would be great
Flex
Flex Hace 2 meses
I heard wilt could bench 5 plates LOL damn
Jyan Harris
Jyan Harris Hace 2 meses
Cousy would've killed in this era it's played the way he played! Up tempo passing and scoring! He wouldn't had a harder time playing in the 90, and Early 2000s because guards were bigger! Now they are small again!!
Pez Core
Pez Core Hace 2 meses
You all are talking about inherent skill and that would carry over. I agree
William Blackburn
William Blackburn Hace 2 meses
You can only compare players to their competition. How they dominated vrs their competition
Dimez Gotti
Dimez Gotti Hace 2 meses
The way wildes popped backed on the screen after he blacked out lmao 😂😂😂
Christopher Haynes
Christopher Haynes Hace 2 meses
Also in one of those clips bob clearly traveled 😂😂
Raymo BettyBoi
Raymo BettyBoi Hace 2 meses
Man listen, just like in baseball those athletes back in the day were just as good as athletes today. The food also has a lot to do with it. They ate organic foods back in the day and today there’s a lot of steroids and things like that in food. Those athletes were natural back then. But they were just as good
Billy Bob
Billy Bob Hace 21 un día
What we have to remember about Houdini is that he helped BUILD the game of basketball. For that alone he deserves everyone’s unquestioned respect, and should never be disrespected the way JJ did him. When you look at the footage......remember that Bob is doing this stuff when Jordan, Larry, and Magic aren’t even BORN yet. He didn’t have this guy or that guy to “emulate.” He was one of the guys who created the whole modern system of passing and ball handling. He took it on himself to be a pioneer, an initiator......like a Daniel Boone. He should be beyond being cheapened by guys like JJ
Toko bbq
Toko bbq Hace 2 meses
Broussard 100%👌
SBONFYE
SBONFYE Hace 2 meses
Dude named just a hand full of known legends, that doesn’t account for the rest of the league at the time which was mediocre as fuck !
The Good Fight!!!
The Good Fight!!! Hace 2 meses
I’m so glad he did this. No one else blinked like it was true but he disrespected an entire era of basketball. It made me feel like he is a spoiled rich kid at heart tbh
William Nienstedt III
@Benz exactly
pancon5
pancon5 Hace 2 meses
Agreed 💯💯
Eugenio Vera
Eugenio Vera Hace 2 meses
@Isaac Newton are you watching the black and white highlights look at there highlights sheesh you’re a fool if you don’t think they had talent back then
heat Sbeat
heat Sbeat Hace 2 meses
@Benz You could be right, but if so, he should work on his wordplay. Why would he use Plumber talking about former Players. His opinion is more worth to me as some guy that never played in the league, but still its JJ Redick, not Kobe.
CanTsar
CanTsar Hace 2 meses
This is why comparing guys from different eras is so subjective. You have to compare guys relative to how well they were against their own competition.
Earl The Pearl
Earl The Pearl Hace 2 meses
Exactly.
j Dareal
j Dareal Hace 2 meses
Bob had 6 of them beating plumbers 😂😂
Phil D
Phil D Hace 2 meses
God Bless ya Cooz. And thanks for speaking up as you did. Dignity and a humor.
Ty Guy
Ty Guy Hace 2 meses
As a younger guy it's refreshing the way Mr.Cousy responded. He flamed him but with so much tact and civility.
Aaron Burton
Aaron Burton Hace 2 meses
What also true is that most athletes take a lot of stuff and there is a lot of cheating going on
Joe Pought
Joe Pought Hace 2 meses
After watching that film I can say for certain that JJ Reddick was absolutely right.
ronald castle
ronald castle Hace 2 meses
@thebigwarthog Facts, “say what you will about Bob Cousy “ more than 95% of the present players will never achieve what he did, relatively or otherwise. Ask yourself, who is gonna have at least 1 Mvp, 2 All-star Mvp, 6 Championships, 8 assist titles, 12x All NBA and 13x All-star,
thebigwarthog
thebigwarthog Hace 2 meses
@ronald castle say what you will about today's defense but the average NBA defender is leaps and bounds much better than the players in Bob Cousy's time.
Unlimited Ayo Production
lol ben simmons wishes in his wildest dreams to make those kind of passes.
Joe Pought
Joe Pought Hace 2 meses
@Mrpaulojorge97 it’s a different time my guy. Cousy was official for his time period but these new guys would mop the floor w him.
ronald castle
ronald castle Hace 2 meses
@thebigwarthog what defense you see today. Stop it
Indifference2000
Indifference2000 Hace 2 meses
I'm glad Cousy put JJ in his place and did it with class
Benjamin Upchurch
Benjamin Upchurch Hace 2 meses
Nicks wrong about Jessie Owens. They did physics analysis using friction coefficients of the shoes and track materials of Jesse Owens time vs what Usain Bolt uses. Time adjustment was around a 8th of a sec behind Usain Bolt which could get you a silver or bronze.
Benjamin Upchurch
Benjamin Upchurch Hace un mes
@Nice Crook Basketball in the 50’s wasn’t getting the top athletes. Frank Robinson was on Bill Russell’s highschool team, heavily recruited, and he chose Baseball instead. The level of athletic talent is way higher, because Basketball get’s a higher portion of elite athletes vs what hey were getting in Cousy’s day.
Nice Crook
Nice Crook Hace 2 meses
@mudr kk Same thing with basketball lol. Imagine playing in leather shoes without the court being scrubbed every 10 seconds
mudr kk
mudr kk Hace 2 meses
@Nice Crook There is a difference when it comes to sprinting though. Jessie Owens was as good a sprinter as can be. Just taking his skillset without him changing his diet, training, coaching, or even doping, only Usain Bolt would beat him. The shoes & surface are the only thing making his times slower. We can right now make today's sprinters run with the same shoes on the the same surfaces as the 1930s & they would be slower than Jessie.
Nice Crook
Nice Crook Hace 2 meses
That’s literally what they’re saying. At least that’s what Chris said. Give Jessie Owens new shoes and tracks and training, hes easily great today. But just take his times at face value and they’re what high school kids are doing. Same with Cousy
Hakeem Jones
Hakeem Jones Hace 2 meses
Plus Owens didn't have blocks.
Robert Hughes
Robert Hughes Hace 2 meses
JJ was right, the realest White baller since Larry Bird who said himself what it really is💯💯💯💯
Your Favorite Cousin G
Nobody is acknowledging that “In DC scaling a wall” joke huh😂😂😂
Shard insecure
Shard insecure Hace 2 meses
If you legitimize Kareem era then you have to do the same with wilts because they played 27 times and wilts teams won 14 of those meetings. Wilt battling and blocking the young lion Kareem (6x champion) shots at a later age proofed just how dominate he really was in his era and at any era
Chyuuch Music
Chyuuch Music Hace 2 meses
Wildes said Beethoven could make a drill beat! Wildes really one of the goats
BuildingBread
BuildingBread Hace 2 meses
Not going to lie…I didn’t know Bob was still alive 😂
Will will
Will will Hace 2 meses
That was funny funny this joke need to go down in history 🤣
Alax Sparkz
Alax Sparkz Hace 2 meses
I mean anyone noticed how Bob Cousey only mentioned the players we talk about what about all the others?
Alax Sparkz
Alax Sparkz Hace 2 meses
@POO CRAYON excluding the big names at least a few yes I would I mean he had teammates it's not like it was just him on the team.
POO CRAYON
POO CRAYON Hace 2 meses
So? You think anyone 60 years from now is gonna now more than 2 or 3 players from this era? of course not
Alax Sparkz
Alax Sparkz Hace 2 meses
@Gain In Value That makes more since cause I know there had to of been some role players he would have mentioned or something.
Gain In Value
Gain In Value Hace 2 meses
He mentioned a bunch of players but they limited his response for the show. There's an article that lists more.
turtle punch
turtle punch Hace 2 meses
I think I thought I saw him scaling walls in DC 18 months ago 😅
Concerned Citizen of the World
Trying to compare players in the 60's to the players of the 21st century is just crazy!
Yes
Yes Hace 2 meses
Nick is wrong, when they account for the materials used on race tracks and what not, Jesse Owens would be just as fast as the top athletes today
Kimani Ajamu
Kimani Ajamu Hace 2 meses
@Mr. Bacon Usain Bolt is as fast as Usain Bolt. How could that be objectively wrong? Furthermore Usain Bolt has ran 9.95 in his last 100. Far faster than anything old dude ran.
Mr. Bacon
Mr. Bacon Hace 2 meses
@Kimani Ajamu no he isn't. He broke the record way back in 2009, hasn't gone that fast since.
sports guru
sports guru Hace 2 meses
@Nideesh Reddy Bingo, the supplements these players have today helps them out tenfold
Nideesh Reddy
Nideesh Reddy Hace 2 meses
also if he was able to use steroids along with the equipment he would be at the top today too. maybe the best
Kimani Ajamu
Kimani Ajamu Hace 2 meses
@depannist Usain Bolt is
John Ray
John Ray Hace 2 meses
Get'em Bob! 🤣
Chad Binette
Chad Binette Hace 2 meses
Every generation thinks thier time was the best in the NBA, it was just different, game was different , players different and so on. No three point line btw, and much less fouls, more physicality and so on. To me the fewer teams just means the deluded teams, take the 50 best players and split them up between 30 teams and then same players split between 15 teams and the 15 teams will be better with more top 50 players. There would be no hornets or kings or pick the team that has been mediocre or bad forever. The players today are more skilled yes but doesn't mean there tougher, stronger, more physical, and play team basketball the way players did in yesteryear.
Mindful Attraction 2.0
It's like saying a professor at Harvard is smarter than Leonardo da Vinci 😂😂
caladan rude
caladan rude Hace 2 meses
@sam adams not davinci though. Have you seen his sketches?
sam adams
sam adams Hace 2 meses
@caladan rude I am. Could you imagine sticking a iPhone on his face he'd probably run. They would still be smart in some areas of today but completely lost in others
Ashanti Nyongo
Ashanti Nyongo Hace 2 meses
@Mindful Attraction 2.0 you can’t call anybody a clown and think this is a good analogy lmao
MrCarterFX
MrCarterFX Hace 2 meses
Facts 😂😂😂
James Poss
James Poss Hace 2 meses
I laughed so hard when he lost signal 😂😂😂🤣🤣
Ronald Brown
Ronald Brown Hace 2 meses
Just imagine a LeBron James playing in the 50 s
D-Money
D-Money Hace 2 meses
Ayy Bob got that behind the back pass down pack 🔥🔥 elite at it 😂
Brian
Brian Hace 2 meses
Chris is the only person that has put some proper thought and perspective on this subject. Amen Chris! 👍
10xfelon
10xfelon Hace 2 meses
Chris made a helluva point..... jeesh!!!! I have to agree with everything he said. Everything!!!!!
Phoenixspin
Phoenixspin Hace 2 meses
Cousy looked pretty good to me. Put respect on that man's name!
j Dareal
j Dareal Hace 2 meses
Wildes had trouble getting on the zoom 😂😂😂
Future Time Traveller
we don't have a time machine but we have common sense; broussard is 100% correct
Future Time Traveller
@heat Sbeat obviously if the new generation had better players they would win if the former generation had better players they would win with the same training and watching film and no back to backs and "load management" (paid leave) the former greats would be just as good as the player now are
heat Sbeat
heat Sbeat Hace 2 meses
if there was a Time Maschine, at the first encounter the newer Gen would always win. If you give them years playing against each other, i think most former Legends would stay Legends in the eyes of the viewer.
Kisembe Namusyule
Kisembe Namusyule Hace 2 meses
And a lot of those long range jumpers he was hitting would be 3’s. Cousy was essentially a John Stockton/Gary Payton style point guard.
Denzel Minimo
Denzel Minimo Hace un mes
@GoldMo242 guards haven't prioritized shooting yet in Cousy's time. they prefer to pass the ball to their scorers.
KingOfNewYork
KingOfNewYork Hace 2 meses
@GoldMo242 rules didn’t favor guards back than dummy
Mark Uyehara
Mark Uyehara Hace 2 meses
@GoldMo242 That's what shooting percentages were like then. Really run and gun. That's why Wilt's rebound totals were so ridiculous.
GoldMo242
GoldMo242 Hace 2 meses
Shot 37 percent 💀also he came out my college in my city which nobody comes out
young city
young city Hace 2 meses
I had no idea Bob Cousy was still alive…
Stephen Kinq
Stephen Kinq Hace 2 meses
Bob Cousey styles of play could resonant today ... Great Passer nd can Run an offense [ I agree with Chris B]
Antonio Rodriguez
Antonio Rodriguez Hace 2 meses
It makes no sense to slander Bob Cousy like JJ did without any context. No modern day super star would be the same player if they were born in the 20's. It is a completely different context. Modern players benefit from decades refined coaching, nutrition, tactics, etc. Players today aren't better because they were magically born that way. Kyrie Irving born in 1928 would not have the same handle, jumper etc.
heat Sbeat
heat Sbeat Hace 2 meses
@Kaloop Spring I think its wrong of you accusing him beeing ignorant. Redick clearly said Plumber and Fireman with a proud attitude. Like he was something or CP3 is way better then Cousy was. IF Cousy would play today, hed probably look weak. let him play 24 Years then compare him to your beloved CP3 again, i bet hed accomplish more.
KingOfNewYork
KingOfNewYork Hace 2 meses
@Kip Smithers smaller doesn’t mean worser dummy. Baylor Wilt Russell west Oscar were all in the league
Mark Uyehara
Mark Uyehara Hace 2 meses
@Kip Smithers True but there were only 11 teams which helped balance it a bit. Given the lack of three point line and limited game, the truth is in Cousy's era, JJ is a full time plumber. No way he's making the league.
Kip Smithers
Kip Smithers Hace 2 meses
But JJ was spot on, the talent pool Cousy played against was so much smaller than today. Like that’s a fact. The game is infinitely more accessible.
Antonio Rodriguez
Antonio Rodriguez Hace 2 meses
@Kaloop Spring I watched the original video lol. It's dumb to compare those players. It comes off as belittling and demeaning when you say his competition were "plumbers and firemen".
Kevin Reiss
Kevin Reiss Hace 2 meses
How good would Kyrie be without being able to carry the ball, run thru what would have been illegal screens, and no 3 pt line?
3402momo
3402momo Hace 2 meses
The day they start calling a carry as is defined in the rule books is the day the modern nba will collapse on itself
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